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		<title>By: R. Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Philip,

Thank you for your response.

The question of the cause of climate change, be it man made or natural cycles, is not at issue here. The issue instead is how does the world cope with the human displacement crisis created by such problems as rising sea levels and intense drought ? How do we deal with the circa 50 million people who have had to leave their lands already due to climactic reasons? And how can the world help the estimated 200 million people who will be affected in the near future ?

What do you suggest ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Philip,</p>
<p>Thank you for your response.</p>
<p>The question of the cause of climate change, be it man made or natural cycles, is not at issue here. The issue instead is how does the world cope with the human displacement crisis created by such problems as rising sea levels and intense drought ? How do we deal with the circa 50 million people who have had to leave their lands already due to climactic reasons? And how can the world help the estimated 200 million people who will be affected in the near future ?</p>
<p>What do you suggest ?</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Mallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Mallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2009-11-03, 05:59:01

I do not see the rigorous discipline that scientific investigation demands here.  I see assumptions.  I see presumption. I see exception. These assumptions on reading your Blog are set on an almost basis of faith alone that this is what will happen if that happens and that they are truly rigorous and need no further examination… When Krakatoa erupted what was the result vis a vis climate change?  When Saddam set the oil fields ablaze in 1991 what were the effects on climate change?  What were the health effects upon those involved?  It may be nice to suppose or predict but as to what the realities are today I would go back and examine again as I was taught until all blatant and hopefully subtle error from my perspective/theory conclusions is expunged and then only then give it to my greatest detractors and let them rip me apart that is the true nature of science.  But regardless of what our puny mentalities conclude nature will en fin have the last word.  And we have been so wrong so many times before and for so long I will not let my 21st century conceit color what I do not really know yet! Even your/our environmental heroine Rachael Carson arrayed her data.  As my mentor used to demand of us when we were not yet fully fledged.  “Go back look again examine, redo, rethink until it becomes so much a part of you that breathing requires more effort.   If you wish to lead humanity to the cliff and you know you are correct hooray for you.  As for me I will choose to remain the more sure footed, more plodding and more conservative in my pronouncements projections and as for my predilections they must never color my conclusions.  There is too much bias, too little surety of fact and the necessary statement of that fact and its manner of collection its restatement, replication and the presentation that when re examined by others in the exact manner the conclusion was the same and that objectivity reigned supreme and nothing was teased for the sake of “garnering more grant!” I can give you the idea the earth is spheroid that there still remain seasonal variation, and daily variation.  I can give you the moon’s effect upon the tides and us- borderline lunatics that we all are.  I can grant you the effects of sunspot and solar flare upon our miniscule orb.  But to tell all others we are killing ourselves with our industry is a bit of a leap.  We are tinkering with an established rhythm but not to the degree you hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2009-11-03, 05:59:01</p>
<p>I do not see the rigorous discipline that scientific investigation demands here.  I see assumptions.  I see presumption. I see exception. These assumptions on reading your Blog are set on an almost basis of faith alone that this is what will happen if that happens and that they are truly rigorous and need no further examination… When Krakatoa erupted what was the result vis a vis climate change?  When Saddam set the oil fields ablaze in 1991 what were the effects on climate change?  What were the health effects upon those involved?  It may be nice to suppose or predict but as to what the realities are today I would go back and examine again as I was taught until all blatant and hopefully subtle error from my perspective/theory conclusions is expunged and then only then give it to my greatest detractors and let them rip me apart that is the true nature of science.  But regardless of what our puny mentalities conclude nature will en fin have the last word.  And we have been so wrong so many times before and for so long I will not let my 21st century conceit color what I do not really know yet! Even your/our environmental heroine Rachael Carson arrayed her data.  As my mentor used to demand of us when we were not yet fully fledged.  “Go back look again examine, redo, rethink until it becomes so much a part of you that breathing requires more effort.   If you wish to lead humanity to the cliff and you know you are correct hooray for you.  As for me I will choose to remain the more sure footed, more plodding and more conservative in my pronouncements projections and as for my predilections they must never color my conclusions.  There is too much bias, too little surety of fact and the necessary statement of that fact and its manner of collection its restatement, replication and the presentation that when re examined by others in the exact manner the conclusion was the same and that objectivity reigned supreme and nothing was teased for the sake of “garnering more grant!” I can give you the idea the earth is spheroid that there still remain seasonal variation, and daily variation.  I can give you the moon’s effect upon the tides and us- borderline lunatics that we all are.  I can grant you the effects of sunspot and solar flare upon our miniscule orb.  But to tell all others we are killing ourselves with our industry is a bit of a leap.  We are tinkering with an established rhythm but not to the degree you hope!</p>
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